Absolutely in love with these holds. Very comfortable and easy on the hands. Beautiful design. For every angle I set these holds it seems like there is a different perfect slopper pinch position using another one of those fungus pocket/ grooves. Every time I latch on it makes me smile. Great for sloppers and pinches depending on how you set 'em. My wall is 22.5 degree overhanging wall (well over 15 degree recommended) and they are amazing.