So iLL sizes these as “overgrown” and they’re definitely that—they’re massive slopers and will require 5” and 6” bolts if you’re getting them from overstock. I’ve got mine on a 30 degree wall and they feel amazing to pull on. I really have turned them to make them more and less difficult—alternating more positive and more slopey sides. Blue and orange are my color selections so far in this line and they look excellent on the wall.