I was in REI Looking for the new shoe after being out of climbing for the last 28 years. When it came to fit I was trying to decide between these and a Scarpa alterative. these where ever so slightly more comfortable out of the box and the rubber was so intriguingly different. Yet, something about told me to give it a try. I've had it for almost a year I'm so glad I did it's been one of my favorite shoes for gym climbing, sport climbing, and bouldering.